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Trump wins: where the hell do we go from here? w/ Katy Balls + Bell Ribeiro-Addy MP
Nish Kumar
Yeah, although I will say, when it came to embracing madness or meanness, given the choices between her and Robert Jenrick, we were getting madness or meanness one way or the other. We just get different flavours of madness or meanness.
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