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Trump wins: where the hell do we go from here? w/ Katy Balls + Bell Ribeiro-Addy MP
But I think visually and actually, quite frankly, not necessarily speaking to the talents of those that we have within our party and I suppose promoting them, it does look quite bad to people because the reality is, you know, politics, media, a lot of it is on the surface. And if people can't see it, they don't necessarily believe it.
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