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The Tories lose their minds (again) - can Starmer hold against the far right?
Nish Kumar
Earlier in the show, we actually spoke to journalist Ian Dunn about what a more centrist candidate like Cleverley might mean for Starmer. We're going to play it here instead, because I still think it's an interesting conversation and one that's worth hearing. What do you think a James Cleverley-led Conservative Party does to the way that Starmer's government presents itself?
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