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Just Stop Politics - 2024 Wrapped! w/ Desiree Burch and Liz Bates
Liz Bates
Absolutely, yeah. And look, I mean, it sounds like I'm kind of shitbagging here. You know, the war I'm talking about is really kind of the perfect idea... of a leader, which is somebody who has a great vision and then can also make that happen day to day. That's a really difficult thing to do. He's a middle manager and maybe we do need that.
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