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Just Stop Politics - 2024 Wrapped! w/ Desiree Burch and Liz Bates
Liz Bates
I think it was. And I think the other thing is when a narrative starts around you, it's very hard to get away from it. So it was like, they're doing badly. Somebody said to me at the time, imagine if Zelensky had stood in the rain and made an announcement about something. Everyone would have, you know, in his kind of army,
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