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Inside out: How to fix the UK’s prison system + Labour embraces unpopularity
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However good your system is and however well-intentioned it is and however hard people work, they're going to make mistakes. And it's important you hold people accountable for those mistakes, of course. But I don't think you're ever going to get a situation where, you know, decisions are perfectly taken in perfect circumstances and there aren't accidents or tragedies that occur.
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