Inside out: How to fix the UK’s prison system + Labour embraces unpopularity

2275.086 - 2296.755 Pia Sinha

And then when you have smaller sized prisons with people who genuinely do need to be there, you can resource them to have the interventions they need. So that people, when they come out at the other end, you can have people who are better citizens and will create fewer victims. And I know that some of this sounds very sort of naive, but you have to start somewhere. And I think you're right.