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Inside out: How to fix the UK’s prison system + Labour embraces unpopularity

2124.348 - 2140.658 Pia Sinha

And I think Timson's got a, I mean, he's a savvy businessman amongst other things, and he wants a model that will succeed. And you used to work with James Simpson, didn't you? Yes, he was the chair of the Prison Reform Trust just before he became minister. So putting the age limit there is probably quite sensible.

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