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Inside out: How to fix the UK’s prison system + Labour embraces unpopularity

1230.396 - 1250.912 Nish Kumar

Such an interesting point. And it brings me actually back to something that you said when we last spoke, Pia, that I would say haunts me on a daily basis. And it was a conversation specifically about the prisons. But the question you're posing, David, is why can't we have an evidence-based policy around this? And Pia, last time you were on the show, you said part of the problem is we can't...

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