Can Starmer’s upbeat note drown out the donation scandal? w/ Zoë Grünewald and Simon Kuper

990.892 - 1008.545 Zoë Grünewald

We're going to do everything with just public service in mind. What they should have done, I think, is they should have seen this, seen how the public were responding and say, you're right. And I think we're going to have a look at the rules and we're going to change them. They shouldn't be saying, it's fine. Everyone does it. We've been doing it for ages. The opposition have done it.