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Can Starmer’s upbeat note drown out the donation scandal? w/ Zoë Grünewald and Simon Kuper
Zoë Grünewald
And it undermines that sort of moment of actually making the case for asylum. That is hidden in all these other statements. And when you focus a lot of your speech on immigration on how it needs to come down... arguably you are giving credence to the argument that there is something wrong with immigration and therefore immigrants.
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