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Can Starmer’s upbeat note drown out the donation scandal? w/ Zoë Grünewald and Simon Kuper
Zoë Grünewald
sort of Boris Johnson years and the sort of last five years of Tory governance, where net migration figures really went up because they relaxed rules on visas. And he was basically suggesting that the Tories let the market define policy and politics. And actually, it's more sort of left wing, it's more statist to have a government that wants to kind of control its borders.
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