Can Starmer’s upbeat note drown out the donation scandal? w/ Zoë Grünewald and Simon Kuper

2837.011 - 2859.289 Nish Kumar

And it wasn't necessarily, there wasn't a salary that they were necessarily relying on in ministerial terms. In terms of getting the best calibre of politicians and also ensuring that, you know, we, you know, we encourage as many people from as wide a social base as possible to go into politics. And then once they're in the job, they're not reliant on second jobs and second salaries.