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Can Starmer’s upbeat note drown out the donation scandal? w/ Zoë Grünewald and Simon Kuper
Zoë Grünewald
Not really. I think he is... practical, pragmatic, and sort of like a boring public service. It's pretty dull, but that's kind of part of his appeal. The problem is when you are trying to keep the country with you for a decade, that's what they want, a decade of national renewal, you do have to tell a bit of a story and you do have to inspire them and excite them.
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