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Can Starmer’s upbeat note drown out the donation scandal? w/ Zoë Grünewald and Simon Kuper

1960.428 - 1979.752 Simon Kuper

You're not a major figure in the Labour Party. And then you say, oh, well, I can give you some money. So a lot of the donations are a little bit idiosyncratic. I'm not saying that what has happened with Labour now is okay at all. I think it's a disgrace. But I don't think it's, as you say, it's not big money. And I don't think the Lord Ali donations themselves are dangerous.

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