Can Starmer’s upbeat note drown out the donation scandal? w/ Zoë Grünewald and Simon Kuper

1867.165 - 1889.624 Simon Kuper

There are some people who just genuinely believe in the party. And sometimes they want something, but mostly they just want that party to do well. And the key examples I cite from the past are the Sainsbury cousins. So you have David Sainsbury who gives Labour, I mean, probably the biggest Labour donor over time. in the several millions, and his cousin John Sainsbury gives to the Tories.