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Can Starmer’s upbeat note drown out the donation scandal? w/ Zoë Grünewald and Simon Kuper

165.46 - 185.765 Zoë Grünewald

And that was really shown, I think, in Rachel Reeves' speech where she had this big kind of smile plastered on her face, which I actually found in moments a little bit creepy. But I think with Starmer's speech, it started off A little bit slow, a little bit disparate. You know, he struggles to tell a story, I think. It sometimes feels like he's kind of moving all over the place.

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