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Can Starmer’s upbeat note drown out the donation scandal? w/ Zoë Grünewald and Simon Kuper
Simon Kuper
You don't go out and declare, well, I, you know, I stole various things from government this week. So the best approach is a transparency international corruption perceptions index where they ask people who are exposed in particular countries, you know, how much corruption do you think there is in that country? You also get surveys of people, have you paid bribes?
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