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Can Starmer’s upbeat note drown out the donation scandal? w/ Zoë Grünewald and Simon Kuper

150.747 - 165.44 Zoë Grünewald

Yeah, and it's like, that's beginning right now. It's like, oh no, more terrible things. But I mean, you could really tell they were trying to make an effort to inject a little bit of that sort of 1997 vibe hopeful, you know, vibe to conference.

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