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Can Starmer’s upbeat note drown out the donation scandal? w/ Zoë Grünewald and Simon Kuper
Zoë Grünewald
I would say they were definitely making a concerted effort to be more hopeful, a bit more jolly, a bit less gloomy. You know, I wasn't quite sure about the slogan, change begins, because as you say, that speech in the Rose Garden where it was like, things are going to get pretty bad.
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