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Is Biden Quiet Quitting?
Jon Favreau
And I was like, that's interesting, because if you're a prison abolitionist. I mean, it does speak to their challenge that you're bringing up, Tommy, which is like part of the reason you do a pardon is because you're like, yeah, someone did something bad and we want to we don't believe they should be and everyone should be in jail for it.
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