Oxide and Friends
Holistic Engineering with Robert Mustacchi
Bryan Cantrill
And that you, that if you want to understand things at the highest level of a system and understand how these big pieces go together, you really need to understand low level details in order to be, because if you don't, that's where you get these kinds of emergent behavior. that really runs contrary to the goals you have as a system. So I think it's really, really important.
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