Oxide and Friends
Holistic Engineering with Robert Mustacchi
Bryan Cantrill
And you're like, that is not a commitment. Like you are convinced by this answer because you don't actually, you're asking me the question because you don't actually know, but I actually know the limitation of my own knowledge and I have not given you a very good answer actually. And I actually need to go research that because I'm not, So that's interesting.
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