On the Bus with Troy Vollhoffer
Backstage Pass with Legendary Music Agents Rod Essig, Curt Motley, and Nick Meinema
Thu, 27 Feb 2025
How do music artists make most of their money? From the smallest act playing dive bars, to the band that sells out stadiums and festivals, musicians earn the bulk of their living on events and tours. And behind every artist is an agent that books those gigs and helps them achieve meaningful financial success in their careers. For this special episode of On the Bus, Country Thunder CEO Troy Vollhoffer holds a roundtable panel with three industry veterans—Curt Motley, agent at United Talent Agency; Rod Essig, Vice President at Creative Artists Agency, and Nick Meinema, agent at Action Entertainment. These three have worked with some of music’s biggest acts—from Tim McGraw and Joan Jett, to the late-great Toby Keith. This intimate conversation explores how agents shape the careers of artists behind the scenes, as well as the pitfalls and pivots of putting together live shows, drawing on more than a few star-studded insider stories along the way.
Chapter 1: Who are the legendary music agents featured in this episode?
Ladies and gentlemen, this is a very special edition of On the Bus. Today, we are going off the topic of artists, and we're going behind the scenes. It's a real special place to go. I have three of the most high-profile agents in show business who are... I'm very honored to have them here today.
And they're old friends, and we have some discussions that I think are going to be pretty interesting to see how the process works and how artists get booked on shows and the trials and tribulations of putting on an event. And these are the guys who make it happen. So I'd like to introduce Rod Essek from CAA.
And I'm definitely the oldest one here. I know we're old friends, but definitely the old one, okay?
He is the godfather, and there is no doubt about that. Nick Ninema from Action Entertainment, and Kurt Motley from UTA. I'm going to start with Kurt. So, Kurt, you have a very interesting story, how you got into show business. So, Kurt's roster was, unfortunately, we lost Toby Keith, and Kurt had been Toby Keith's agent for how many years, Kurt?
Just under 30.
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Chapter 2: How did Curt Motley become a music agent?
30 years. And Kurt has other rosters. Jamie Johnson, who is a other artist who are on his roster. Oliver Anthony. Oliver Anthony. Never could get that right. See, he's too much money. That's why I always keep forgetting his name. Sawyer Brown in America. And Sawyer Brown. So you have a very interesting story. Early in the 90s, you were a maintenance guy. Among others.
And how did you become an agent? I played a basketball game to get a gig with T.K. Kimbrell. who I think was working for Vector at that time. And he was just about to go out on his own. And I worked with his wife at the famous Iroquois Apartments in Bellevue. And he came over. He's an Indiana boy. And he said he was starting a gig. And I said, hey, man, I'll play a basketball game for it.
I mean, it had been fun. The 80s were awesome. Anybody that says they weren't just didn't live in the 80s. And... But, I mean, I thought I had it made, you know. I was... Work all week, drink Friday, Saturday, Sunday, go back to work on Monday, and had just enough money to make that work every week. And I thought that was living. And it was at the time. If I'm being honest, I was happy as shit.
So anyway, one day, I just knew. And so I... I don't know, man. I was sort of in a funk. I didn't know what I wanted to do. So I was going to go be a hardware salesman in Knoxville. And I was talking to TK one night. I think he was just road managing Steve Warner then. And he's like, are you fucking crazy? Can I say fuck on this? He said, are you fucking crazy?
And I said, well, it's either that or I was thinking about maybe going to the Coast Guard or becoming a cop or something. He goes, what's wrong, man? And he said, why don't you get in the music business? And I'm like, do what? You know, I dropped out of college about three times and I was working probably three different jobs. And I mean, I was a maintenance man, security dude.
I did heat and cooling work on the weekends, delivered pizza for Pizza Hut. I did all that stuff. And yeah. Anyway, we played a basketball game. I beat him on a court that I built. And then he started his deal, and I started with him in July of 1990. And, you know, one day I was wearing steel-toed boots and brown pants and a shirt with my name on it.
And the next I was answering phones at a management company and couldn't understand what people were even saying when they called in. I had no idea. I had no idea. Didn't know what their names were or anything. So, yeah.
Well, that's awesome. Rod, obviously, we're going to do age first. And Nick, since you're the youngest one, you go last. But, Rod, I want to ask you how you got your start in show business. I know you're from Minneapolis. And how did that start?
Well, I go way back to what you guys weren't. Well, maybe we're when I graduated college in 1971. They have this little thing called the draft. So you kind of watch the ball come down. Well, my my number was 30 that year and that year they were taken up to 140 people on their way to Vietnam. So that was in May. I have a music education degree with a vocal major.
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Chapter 3: What was Rod Essig's journey to becoming an agent?
So being a 21-year-old, making money, knowing you're going off to war, may die, and playing Playboy Cubs, it was probably the best summer of my entire life ever. So then I went through training. I was in service for 15 months. I got back in 74, and I had bought my talent at our college from a guy named Gordy Singer at Variety Artists. And in Minneapolis, I said, I want to be an agent.
And he said, okay, here's a yellow piece of paper and here's a dial phone, you know, a dial phone. So anyway, I started dialing for dollars and with about six months later, I met this guy named Jim Croce and I signed him. And in those days, different than today, all the big arenas were in college campuses. So the colleges were, you toured colleges. because they all had money.
They could all afford to buy the big acts and everything like that. So before I knew it, and then we would buy, sell too. So we, so I'd be on the road with Johnny Cash. I'd be on the road with, with a number of the people. But anyway, I just kept signing Cornelius Brothers, Sister Rose.
These are things that really old bands, you know, and at that point, REO Speedwagon was one of the big acts that we booked in college. And then they kept going and same with Styx. So pretty soon, uh,
within six or seven years i had signed a lot of the acts so pretty much had became a 50 50 partner with gordy and lenny then i went moved every day we moved every day la and in turn uh after 20 years i went over my best friend was bobby brooks And so they hired me, and three days later, when I started at CIA, he got killed in a helicopter crash with Stevie Ray Vaughan.
So I worked a year in LA, and then they said, do you want to open up an office in Nashville? So John Huey, who I'd known at that point was at ICM and then Paragon and FBI before that, and Ron Baird, they said, and my wife and I did not like LA at all. We'd been there for 10 years. And so we moved to Nashville and started up CIA in Nashville,
with, literally, it was kind of crazy, because we started up with Clint Black, which was the main guy, and then we had Bill... Was that when Clint Black was just starting out, or was that when he already had some success? Oh, no, he had success by that time, and hated our competitor, one competitor, so he wouldn't go there.
So in turn, we had Billy Dean, Clint Black, Stephen Curtis Chapman, Michael W. Smith, and Amy Grant. Five acts, and there was three agents. And from that point, it just, we got very lucky and started signing acts. And it just kept going and going. The big one that we took out of being in-house was Barbara Mandrell.
So once we got, once I signed Barbara, all of a sudden we were able to do what CAA did. And that was to have, we put her in a residency. Then we got a TV show. And then from that point, it just all, then it was Randy Travis and then Reba. So we took a lot of people from that were in-house.
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Chapter 4: Why did Nick Meinema decide to become an entrepreneur?
It's been great on a financial level. And it's been great on a personal level. It frees me up for a lot of the non-day-to-day tasks that goes into being at a major agency I just don't have to deal with anymore. Yeah.
You have a pretty interesting roster. You have music acts, artists, and you also have actors. And give me a little background on some of the artists that you represent.
You know, we represent everybody from Trace Atkins to TLC, Kevin Costner and his band Modern West, Billy Bob Thornton and his band, to Lone Star and Colin Ray and, you know, new Country Music Hall of Famer, John Anderson. It's the music that I love at the time that I love, so that's been very fortunate. But also, you know, I think there is a little art.
And Kurt and I, you know, worked together at UTA for many, many years. And I think... we shared this in the idea that you don't have to be the sparkling white hot act in the moment to still need the attention of representation.
Well, I want to congratulate you on picking up on my friends, Phil Vassar, who was kind of left in the middle of nowhere, you know, from representation and, uh, It's kind of cool when you put together a plan for somebody and realize that the earnings that that individual artist can make so much money with proper routing, thinking it out, and just explain your philosophy on that.
they started with five artists and three agents. Well, if you're working eight, nine, 10 hours a day, you know, you can pretty much figure out that people are going to get represented and served.
And in our situation, you know, there's five of us, you know, that are making phone calls and coming phone calls and really navigating through the beacon of what is 30 artists when you work our Canadian roster in and the artists that work, you know, periodically like Kevin and his band and Billy and his band.
And so when you kind of work that out, you know, five divided by 30, you know, there's real attention there.
Well, yeah, it's an artist who may not have had a hit in 10 years and still has an agent who's working the rooms, working promoters to get them the dates, which is very important.
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Chapter 5: How do music agents maintain long-term relationships with artists?
He would not have been a guy that threw in the white flag. And, you know, you got to remember, Toby was 29 years old when he was getting his record deal. And he said, if I don't have it by the time I'm 30, then I'm standing in oil fields. And he'd quit playing football. He was playing semi-pro football then. And so this 365 show thing was terrifying from my standpoint.
I do want to say something, if I can. There is a lost art, and maybe it's in all the towns, but there's a lost art to what Rod has with Tim McGraw and what you had with Toby, where there's just, you know the ins and outs of the relationship. I don't know your relationship with Tim.
They're too afraid to fire you. You know too much. Whatever.
That's not where I was going with it, but okay.
What someone told me was, actually, T.K. Kimbrell said that you've got to make the artist believe that you're the key to their success, and they cannot function without you. And, hey, I don't know if I ever pulled that off, you know, but that was a really good...
good lesson i know a lot of agents don't even have a relationship with the artist it's i'm totally right manager it's all managed i don't i don't i don't understand that at all i don't know how you can do it you know what it's it's not been tim or totally i just don't know how you can do that either you have to know the the person and the personalities to go no that doesn't work and here's the reason why but i'll say the lost art of it just the quick point that i want to make is the longevity of the ups and downs
There's no way that you went all of those years or going all those years with Tim without having, you know, butting heads. And I know for a fact that there was butting heads on that end, but the relationship was stead proof that get to the other side, there's trust on both sides. And I believe that's a real lost art here in Nashville for sure.
Maybe it's in LA and New York and London as well, but here it's a lost art. It seems to be, you know, you're walking into the room and it's that old, you know, shuffle where you're looking who's around. you know, what's the best situation.
And you guys, it's the last of that time where somebody can, I also don't know if an artist in this day and age with the way that they're breaking can have a 30 year, 35 year career. Maybe they can, and hopefully they can. I just don't know how, you know, it just becomes such a problem where they're looking at your social numbers before they're looking at your songs. or how you can sing.
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Chapter 6: What is the significance of Tim McGraw's early career decisions?
You know, I go like, I'll let you know tomorrow. He's a pretty intense guy. Yeah. I can see that.
I mean, I, I booked Tim. I don't know if it was his first tour, but I had Tim with Sawyer Brown. Yeah, you did. And before that tour right there that you're talking about. And, and, I know we had him on, don't take the girl into that. And then right out of that. So, um, that was a long time ago.
We're going on 32 years. So congratulations. It's been pretty, pretty amazing. Like he did with Toby. I mean, you know, he's besides my client, he's really a great friend. Yeah. And you know, and it's, that's helps an awful lot and, and everything like that. But again,
like toby tim has constantly we've had we've had three or four careers yeah you know we've gone from the music into motion into you know the blind side was huge for tim mcgraw and then you come back and then we had don't take the girl or and you know some a couple more career songs not number one it's career you're dying Live Like You Were Dying, yeah.
One of the biggest, that's incredible.
And now we got, we just finished up 1883. So in the show, when they play 1883, people start crying. I mean, it's like, I think it was one of the best things Tim and Faith ever did in their careers. Very impactful. You know, and so it's pretty amazing. In a life of an artist, and again, it's all you guys do, there's great teams.
I get to be a quarterback, but there's great teams around all these people that work with motion picture, work with, you know, we've got three best-selling books. on the bestselling list of Tim McCraw. So all these different people help create a so-called 30 year career too. It's not just all about music. It's all, it's about everything he does.
And then it didn't hurt that he married Faith Hill and she became famous. So, you know, there's all those kinds of things.
i i just appreciate the fact you know just talking about toby and tim the the level of class that both of those gentlemen have uh outweighs the artistry if that makes any sense um i think that they carry themselves uh they're i think they make country music look really good and i think we're losing a little bit of that right now because i don't think uh
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