#450 – Bernie Sanders Interview

2306.461 - 2332.786 Bernie Sanders

And again, that's why politics is very, very fascinating. Sometimes you can run and lose and you really win if your goal is not just individual power, but transforming society. One of my heroes, you mentioned Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., who is one of my heroes. Another one of my heroes is Eugene Victor Debs. Did that ring a bell? Yeah, yes. Okay. For many reasons, yes. All right.