#445 – Vivek Ramaswamy: Trump, Conservatism, Nationalism, Immigration, and War

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And I think that it requires real leadership in the United States playing hardball, not just with one side of this, not just with Zelensky or with Putin, but across the board, hardball for our own interests, which are the interests of stability here. And I think that that will happen to well serve both Ukraine and Russia in the process. If you were president, would you call Putin? Absolutely.