Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Chris Pedregal - Building Granola - [Invest Like the Best, EP.412]
Tue, 25 Feb 2025
My guest today is Chris Pedregal. Chris is the founder and CEO of Granola, an AI-powered notepad that transcribes your meetings and enhances your meeting notes. Chris shares fascinating insights on how humans have historically developed tools to extend our cognitive capabilities - from writing and mathematical notation to data visualization - and how AI represents the next frontier in this evolution. We explore competitive dynamics between model providers and application builders, and Chris shares his vision for AI tools that make us "more human and better humans" rather than replacing human altogether. Our conversation covers the product philosophy behind Granola, the challenges of building in the fast-moving AI space, and how small teams are creating outsized impact in this new paradigm. Please enjoy my conversation with Chris Pedregal. Subscribe to Colossus Review. For the full show notes, transcript, and links to mentioned content, check out the episode page here. ----- This episode is brought to you by Ramp. Ramp’s mission is to help companies manage their spend in a way that reduces expenses and frees up time for teams to work on more valuable projects. Ramp is the fastest-growing FinTech company in history, and it’s backed by more of my favorite past guests (at least 16 of them!) than probably any other company I’m aware of. Go to Ramp.com/invest to sign up for free and get a $250 welcome bonus. – This episode is brought to you by Ridgeline. Ridgeline has built a complete, real-time, modern operating system for investment managers. It handles trading, portfolio management, compliance, customer reporting, and much more through an all-in-one real-time cloud platform. I think this platform will become the standard for investment managers, and if you run an investing firm, I highly recommend you find time to speak with them. Head to ridgelineapps.com to learn more about the platform. – This episode is brought to you by AlphaSense. AlphaSense has completely transformed the research process with cutting-edge AI technology and a vast collection of top-tier, reliable business content. Imagine completing your research five to ten times faster with search that delivers the most relevant results, helping you make high-conviction decisions with confidence. Invest Like the Best listeners can get a free trial now at Alpha-Sense.com/Invest and experience firsthand how AlphaSense and Tegus help you make smarter decisions faster. ----- Editing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant (https://thepodcastconsultant.com). Show Notes: (00:00:00) Learn About Ramp, Ridgeline, & AlphaSense (00:05:41) Historical Examples of Tools for Thought (00:06:55) The Impact of AI on Tools for Thought (00:09:08) Introducing Granola: AI-Powered Notetaking (00:10:10) Granola's Unique Approach to AI Notetaking (00:13:33) User Experiences and Future Vision (00:15:40) Privacy and Social Norms in AI Recording (00:20:47) Building Granola: Challenges and Innovations (00:34:55) AI Startups and Granola's Early Adoption (00:35:40) Unexpected Feedback from High-Profile CEOs (00:39:53) Building Better and Faster in a Competitive Space (00:42:09) The Future of AI-Powered Workspaces (00:54:00) Challenges and Opportunities in AI and Education (00:56:03) The Evolution of App Development (00:58:01) The Potential of Small Teams in Big Businesses
Chapter 1: What is Granola and how does it work?
Chapter 2: What historical tools have enhanced human cognition?
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Chapter 3: How does AI change the landscape of tools for thought?
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Chapter 4: What challenges does Granola face in the AI space?
Chapter 5: How does Granola address privacy concerns?
My guest today is Chris Pedrigal. Chris is the founder and CEO of Granola, an AI-powered notepad that transcribes your meetings and enhances your meeting notes. Chris shares fascinating insights on how humans have historically developed tools to extend our cognitive capabilities from writing and mathematical notation to data visualization, and how AI represents the next frontier in this evolution.
We explore competitive dynamics between model providers and application builders, and Chris shares his vision for AI tools that make us better rather than replacing humans altogether. Our conversation covers the product philosophy behind Granola, the challenges of building in this fast-moving AI space, and how small teams are creating outsized impact in this new paradigm.
Chapter 6: What innovative uses have emerged for Granola?
Please enjoy my conversation with Chris Pedrigal. Chris, I thought a fun place to begin our conversation today is with some of your ideas around the value of tools for thought that technology has given humans over the centuries. Obviously, you're building one of those tools. Now we'll get into that in great detail.
But the first time we chatted, I was so intrigued by the way that you approached this and thought about this unlock of value for people. And I think he used the XY plot as like a good example of one of these tools for thought. Maybe you can just riff for a while on this line of thinking and why you're so interested in it. I love this topic.
I think fundamentally humans are tool makers. It's one of the things that like just sets us apart from other animals. If you look back at the history, there have been these inventions, tools that were invented that just enabled humans to do so much more. And the interesting thing about that is some of those are really just explicitly tools for thinking.
Examples there could be writing is a great example. different mathematical notation. With Roman numerals, you can only do math up to a certain number in your head without an abacus. Whereas with the notation we use now, you can do long division of massive numbers and that's fine. My favorite example is this idea of being able to visualize data. What you brought up is this guy called Playfair.
I think his name was William Playfair. It was something like 200 years ago. He was the first person to graph data visually. So you could use your eyes. Humans have evolved to bring in images and make sense of images really quickly.
So the idea of mapping numbers to the visual plane and being able to intuitively feel, oh, that graph's going up or down, or it's going up much faster than it was before. It's just crazy that 200 years before I was born, no one had done that. All of this is to say that I'm sure we'll get into this into more detail.
You have mathematical notation or writing, data visualization, then there's the computer. And I think with AI, we're just entering like a new realm where the tools for thought will just be exponentially more powerful and more useful. God knows what that's going to look like in 10, 20 years. I guarantee it'll look nothing like it looks like today.
Maybe just talk about that transition. Mention what you're building at a high level first, and then we'll go into it much more detail later. But as we transition into understanding what new tools are possible built on top of this new technology, how are you personally approaching that?
What were the original things that you thought of when you saw some of these LLMs walk us through this phase change?
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Chapter 7: What does the future hold for AI-powered tools?
Chapter 8: How do competitive dynamics affect AI startups?
This is something that I think will be widespread. Knowledge workers, folks like you and me, we're constantly going to be thinking about what's the context I need right now to be the smartest I can be. For folks listening, when you're using something like ChatGPT or any LLM, there's this idea of a context window. You can put X amount of information into that context window.
And it's basically like giving you like, here's the situation. Here's the stuff you need to know to be able to think about it. That way of thinking is also going to apply to us, to people. We're going to be thinking about that all the time. A concrete example. I need to write a blog post.
Before, I would have just sat down with a notebook and I would have scribbled down a bunch of ideas and then I would have tried to type it up. What I did now was I first talked to a few different people who had good advice on this blog post and I used Granola. So now I have notes and the full transcript from those conversations.
I then used the Granola app and just walked around and spoke out loud about different ideas. So I did a brainstorm where I was just recording it. And then I put all of that in a folder inside of Granola. And I started chatting with the AI, asking it to pull out themes or suggested formats. And at the end of the day, I'm going to write the blog post.
But that process was such an incredible way of synthesizing all this advice that I guarantee I would have dropped different parts along the way. That's one example. I think another example is, and this is something we've observed with Granola users is just The way they approach notes is completely different to how they used to approach notes.
So if you look at the notes of granola users who use granola a lot, they only write a couple notes per meeting. And those notes are usually the internal thoughts that they had. So it's not the stuff that's in the transcript. It's like, oof, this person was a bit aggressive, or they seem kind of down, or I'm concerned about this area because they didn't really answer my question.
Like these things that are these really critical thoughts, And then everything else is deferred to the AI transcription. And when they come back to use the granola notes, they'll oftentimes be chatting. So instead of reading lots of notes for a meeting, they usually have a specific question in mind or piece of information that they're looking for.
And they find it more efficient to just ask that question and have a really high quality answer written for them.
Maybe now talk a little bit about that 5 to 100 of the vision of what this could become. I know you can only think a couple steps ahead with LLMs, but thinking two, three steps ahead, where do you think this goes next?
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