Honestly with Bari Weiss
They Tortured Him for Years. Now They Rule Syria.
Theo Padnos
In Paris, and the guy who burned to death the Jordanian pilot was, Qasasbi. His headquarters were in a nearby town there. And he took me to really kind of the cradle, the birth of the Islamic State, a little farmhouse. There was a bunch of Iraqi guys, a bunch of French guys there. And for me, that's when the real torture began, like the—
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