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Honestly with Bari Weiss

They Tortured Him for Years. Now They Rule Syria.

2799.953 - 2817.384 Theo Padnos

I would say there's no difference. You'd say there's no difference. No. At one point, Baghdadi in Baghdad goes, hey, all those people who used to call themselves Jabhat al-Nusra, they're now ISIS. That was his declaration. The way that Jabhat al-Nusra started was he dispatched his four best friends who he had come to know at the American prison in Iraq.

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