Honestly with Bari Weiss
Simon Sebag Montefiore: History Is Not Over
Simon Sebag Montefiore
But the point is that one of my great heroes, the historian Ibn Khaldun, the Arab historian from the 14th century, he said many fascinating things. But one of the things he said, like, he said, states don't fall from military defeats. They usually fall because of psychology. And that's worth thinking about.
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