Honestly with Bari Weiss
Simon Sebag Montefiore: History Is Not Over
Simon Sebag Montefiore
He wrote in his diaries about it. And he didn't necessarily see it as a Jewish state, though he's always called a sort of proto-Zionist. He wasn't really. And this brings us actually to the essence of the history of the real history of Zionism, which wasn't about... You know, we're going to create a power. We're going to go there. We're going to take over this land.
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