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Simon Sebag Montefiore: History Is Not Over

1136.571 - 1162.633 Simon Sebag Montefiore

But nation-states, now, the first one to be created, the first modern nation to be created, 1824, Greece, the Greek rebellion against the Ottoman Empire. That led to a massive switch of population where people... One doesn't think of this, but half the people in Greece were Muslim. They had to go back to Turkey, what is now Turkey. And the Christians stayed, and they formed the Greek Republic.

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