Freakonomics Radio
616. How to Make Something from Nothing
Adam Moss
And I had to teach myself. I had to use my editor head. At first, my editor head recognized that it was terrible but didn't have any solutions in mind. And then over time, I just began to strip it of its ridiculous ornamentation. Was that all by yourself, though, or did you go to people for it? No, I did that most of myself.
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