616. How to Make Something from Nothing

1118.536 - 1146.411 Stephen Dubner

And what they all got was just a deep, deep satisfaction of accomplishment and a recognition that you don't get that satisfaction without having a lot of failure and bumps along the way. Not humiliation. And you didn't humiliate people ever, as far as I know. I don't know. I don't think so. I hope not. So when I left the Times Magazine working for you, I left because I just wanted to be a writer.