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Decoder with Nilay Patel

Why the Grammys need to change, with CEO Harvey Mason Jr.

4477.215 - 4486.121 Nilay Patel

All right. I did my best. That was the hardest question I could think of, which I saved it for the end. I'm going to have to find you. We're going to have to talk about music some other time, just for an hour. But thank you so much for coming, Dakota.

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