Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why Mark Zuckerberg wants to end the smartphone era
Mark Zuckerberg
So I think that it's always very difficult to talk about this stuff in a nuanced way because I think to some degree before 2016, everyone was sort of too rosy about the internet overall and didn't talk enough about the issues. And then the pendulum sort of swung and people only talked about the issues and didn't talk about the stuff that was positive. And it was all both there the whole time.
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