Decoder with Nilay Patel
Platforms need the news, but they're killing it
Matt Pearce
They're going, they're knocking on people's doors, because one of the things that I don't know if people appreciate who are not journalists is that when you are interviewing somebody as a journalist, they behave differently based on whether you are texting them, emailing them, or talking to them on the phone, or talking to them in person.
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