Decoder with Nilay Patel
How Ciena keeps the internet online, with CEO Gary Smith
Nilay Patel
There's a new kind of nationalism in America around our tech giants, I think, in the Trump administration. Mark Zuckerberg says, I want the Trump administration to go fight the European regulators on my behalf. That's new. It hasn't come up before. We'll see if this jacket fits. He's trying it on. But the way we build networks is expressions of national capability.
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