Decoder with Nilay Patel
How Ciena keeps the internet online, with CEO Gary Smith
Nilay Patel
You have a long view of the internet and how we've grown it and what it's for. The telecoms, by and large, were... national champions, right? I mean, that's how they have thought about themselves. Even in the United States, that's how they've thought about themselves. That's where they came from.
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