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Decoder with Nilay Patel

How Ciena keeps the internet online, with CEO Gary Smith

2855.504 - 2878.106 Nilay Patel

They're about to enter into a world where an emboldened Donald Trump wants to just reset the international order. And then they own cables that connect our continents together. There's a lot of people who want to break the internet apart in different ways. We might ban TikTok. We might not ban TikTok. China doesn't allow our apps there. There's a lot of interest in China.

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