How Ciena keeps the internet online, with CEO Gary Smith

239.327 - 257.44 Nilay Patel

CNS sits right in the middle of that complicated relationship between industry and infrastructure, and I think you'll find Gary's perspective to be pretty unique. And of course, that led us to talk about the fracturing state of the internet itself, and what it means that people in different countries, depending on different levels of government control, experience the internet differently.