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How Ciena keeps the internet online, with CEO Gary Smith
Gary Smith
And they're very complicated, you know, multi-continent, metro, long-haul, submarine cables. The biggest players now, the biggest owners of capacity on submarine cables is actually the cloud players. And that used to be the traditional service providers. But now it's the likes of Google and Meta, et cetera, that really own a lot of the global capacity on those submarine cables.
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