Duolingo CEO Luis Von Ahn wants you addicted to learning

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And that's why I'm back again. And now you're talking about this whole other spectrum of things. We're going to use AI. We're going to have these natural language conversations. We're going to expand to mathematics. When did you feel like you were making the transition from we're gamifying this very familiar thing, we're using this new engagement mechanism, to this is now a wholly new thing?