Anthropic’s Mike Krieger wants to build AI products that are worth the hype

245.273 - 264.819 Nilay Patel

But I want to start sort of at the beginning of your Anthropic story, which is also the end of your Artifact story. So people know you. You started Instagram. You were at Meta for a while. You left Meta. And then you and Kevin Systrom started Artifact, which was a really fun newsreader. It had some really interesting ideas about how to surface the web and have comments and all that.