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S10 E14: Eric Müller, Presence

481.56 - 496.49 Eric Müller

And I love taking advantage of that because like I said, everyone's very optimistic. Everyone's very happy and very excited. And so it's very easy to rein people in because it's like, yeah, we can have that conversation. It's no big deal. And we can make trade-offs. And so you really want to take advantage of that.

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