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LIVE From DC: RFK & Trump Team Meets Dr. Drew + Dr. Peter McCullough – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 470
Fri, 28 Mar 2025
Dr. Drew is LIVE in Washington, DC, interviewing members of the Trump admin team including Sec. Robert F. Kennedy Jr, Karoline Leavitt, May Mailman, Sec. Linda McMahon. He's joined by special guest Dr. Peter McCullough. Dr. Peter McCullough is an internist, cardiologist, epidemiologist, and the Chief Scientific Officer at The Wellness Company. As an expert on cardiovascular medicine with over 30 years of experience, Dr. McCullough has spoken widely about the heart-related risks of mRNA. He is the co-author of The Courage To Face COVID-19: Preventing Hospitalization and Death While Battling the Bio-Pharmaceutical Complex. Follow Dr. McCullough at https://x.com/P_McCulloughMD and learn more at https://PeterMcCulloughMD.com Dr. Stephanie Venn-Watson is a co-founder of Seraphina Therapeutics. She holds a Doctor of Veterinary Medicine from Tufts University, a Master of Public Health from Emory University, and completed a National Research Council Associateship with the Armed Forces Medical Intelligence Center. As a Technical Agent for DARPA and researcher with the U.S. Navy Marine Mammal Program, she discovered C15:0's role in preventing Cellular Fragility Syndrome. This led her to co-found Seraphina Therapeutics, developing the fatty15 supplement. Find more at https://drdrew.com/fatty15 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at https://drdrew.com/fatty15 • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Chapter 1: Where is Dr. Drew broadcasting from and who is joining him?
Thanks so much for joining us today. We're at the Rumble Studios in Washington, D.C. You see the backdrop behind me. I think that's the Library of Congress or something over my left shoulder. So, in any event, we are here in Washington at the Rumble Studios. We appreciate them hosting us here. We had a
All morning and early afternoon at the executive offices at the White House, talking to cabinet-level officials and others. We'll report to you on that. Susan organized and executed the whole thing, and she's here to give her observations. There I am with RFK Jr. Who else you got there, Caleb? And there we are with Carolyn Levitt. And finally, with the Treasury Secretary.
Very interesting people, interesting interviews. Yep, and we will get to tell you about that. And then Peter McCullough joins us. And then Stephanie Van Watson from FATI. She has a new book called Longevity. She's going to tell you about that. So this is a lot today. So do stay with us. I'm not going to be able to watch you guys on the rants. I don't see the streams, but Susan does.
And she'll be joining me right here at the opening just after this. Our laws as it pertains to substances are draconian and bizarre. The psychopath started this. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction, fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous. I'm a doctor. Where the hell do you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people.
I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveline all the time. Educate adolescents and to prevent and to treat. If you have trouble, you can't stop and you want help stopping, I can help. I got a lot to say. I got a lot more to say. I'm excited to bring you a new product, a new supplement, Fatty. I take it.
I make Susan take it. My whole family takes it. This comes out of, believe it or not, dolphin research. The Navy maintains a fleet of dolphins, and a brilliant veterinarian recognized that these dolphins sometimes developed a syndrome identical to our Alzheimer's disease. Those dolphins were deficient in a particular fatty acid. She replaced the fatty acid. And they didn't get the Alzheimer's.
Humans have the same issue. And we are more deficient in this particular fatty acid than ever before. And a simple replacement of this fatty acid called C15 will help us prevent these syndromes. It's published in a recent journal called Metabolites. It's a new nutritional supplement. Nutritional C15, pentadecanoic acid it's called.
The deficiency that we're developing for C15 creates something called the cellular fragility syndrome. This is the first nutritional deficiency syndrome to be discovered in 75 years and may be affecting us in many ways and as many as one in three of us. This is an important breakthrough. Take advantage of it. Go to fatty15.com slash drdrew to receive 15% off a 90-day starter kit subscription.
or use code DRDREW at checkout for that 15% off, or just go to our website, drdrew.com slash fatty15. We actually brought our fatty 15 with us on this trip, but we're going to be speaking to Stephanie Van Watson in a few minutes about her book, Longevity, which is worth the read. And Susan plopped this down in front of me and said, talk about Rumble. How can we not talk about Rumble?
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Chapter 2: What was the experience like interviewing Trump admin officials at the White House?
We weren't even given that. 72 hours from this minute, really. It's like 48.
And we just showed up and met... all the other people in the press, and they had their booms and their mics and their lights and their crews. And we were all set up like a podcast row, they call it. Basically, you get a little corner and everybody gets an interview for 15 minutes with each person.
But it was easy getting into the White House, which I was pleasantly surprised because that's never happened before. And we pulled it off. We got some good footage. It was a little hard to... you know, with the equipment that I brought, which was basically an iPhone and a Rode mic. It worked, but it was a little harder with RFK Jr. because of his voice.
And I had the mic on the wrong side of the lapel. But I think Caleb was able to come up with some footage out of it. He was able to piece some stuff together.
Maybe we can watch the Carolyn Levitt.
But I was really excited to come, but I was super tired because we had to get up so early. But otherwise, it was fun. We ran into a lot of... We ran into Jack Posobiak and Sage Steele, who we've had on the show. Viva Frye, who we always love to goof around with. He was smitten by RFK, ran up and did a selfie with him.
And Tulsi Gabbard, when we saw her on the wall.
Yeah, but then he was afraid when Tulsi came out. He goes, I said, well, I'll introduce you. Because he felt like a fool after jumping on RFK. But yeah, it was all the... all the people that we know and love and in the media. And yeah, it was fun. I, it was fun to be part of the crew, you know, and actually be respected as like a team.
I made the, it's one of the reasons I want to, I don't think I have this particular footage, but one of the things I told to care, I think it's even this footage where I tell Carolyn Leavitt, I go, look, Just you and your camera. I do make that point. Do you have that little footage, Caleb? That's what I'm saying in this little interview, which is the fact that we... I would remind myself of this.
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Chapter 3: What are the key economic insights shared by the Treasury Secretary?
The major genotype for years has been the B3.13, very mild conjunctivitis in humans. very mild in the birds. It spread to dozens of mammalian species. We've seen the emergence of D1.1. Now, that was in the near-fatal case in a teenager in British Columbia who went in the ICU and went on ECMO and needed bronchoscopy and samples.
It was D1.1 in the fatal case in Louisiana, a man who cared for birds in his... his backyard or picked up birds. And then there's two fatal cases now in Cambodia, a toddler and a man, not D1.1, but a different strain by what's called genetic reassortment. And so recently in Mississippi, I believe, there is an initial outbreak of a strain H7N9 and other bird flu strain.
What we're learning is the biosecurity policy of continuing to cull and destroy all the healthy chickens and just cleanse the facilities and repopulate is allowing the virus to go in and reinfect and reinfect. And it's been too long of a time and it's allowed for genetic misadventure and now potentially some serious strains to emerge.
So I don't remember any time, maybe I'm naive, but I don't remember any time in my career where there was so much...
speed of genetic mutation or genetic uh i'd used a specific word in terms of the admixturing and the changing of the genetic structuring uh is that because of the alteration or the work that's done on these viruses or has that just been going on and now we're just more aware of it i mean this whole notion that it has the potential to be a pandemic virus i never heard
In my career prior to COVID, anybody going, oh, here's a virus that has the potential to be a pandemic, until it was a pandemic. You know what I mean? I don't understand how things are so different now.
Chances are they're not, with the exception of SARS-CoV-2. Influenza is known, if you have a whole series of, strains of influenza and they cohabitate in the same nasal pharynx, they can swap genetics because they're all influenza variants. That's called genetic reassortment. Okay. That's the one process. A mutation is when there's a dominant strain and there's a fundamental change.
And with COVID, it's always been the spike protein. That's the big mutation. you know, area where there's change. And in flu, it's the hemagglutinase. That's the spike protein of influenza. So there can be, so this D1.1 mutation of H5N1, that looks like it's a big deal, just like the Delta strain of COVID, the SARS-CoV-2, that was a big deal.
And then there's another process that's this kind of seasonal process called antigenic drift. That's a very interesting blend where, you know, in a sense, there is this kind of, seasonal change where there is some variation, you know, animals take on different, you know, images and shapes and humans, you know, over time, it's not the same illness every time. But so we have genetic capabilities.
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Chapter 4: What are the latest concerns about bird flu and its mutations?
That's what you feel like doing when you have this stuff, too. That's all you feel like doing. So, hang on a second. Caleb, what are you putting there? What are you pointing about the nicotine? He's saying use the nicotine for brain fog.
Yeah, Dr. McCullough, he mentioned that. And I've actually read certain anecdotes from people that were saying stuff that were similar, where they're saying the low, like three milligram of nicotine pouches, not smoking, like the pouches or the patches, were effective against their brain fog. That's anecdotal stuff. But have you seen more instances of that working for some people?
Well, there's a pretty solid report, Caleb, out of Switzerland showing indeed that nicotine blocks the spike protein's interaction with the nicotinic acetylcholine receptors. Now, keep in mind, smokers did very well through COVID. I don't think I've ever seen a smoker with long COVID syndrome.
Interesting. Isn't that interesting?
I've treated face-to-face and examined thousands of patients, so I've really been in the trenches. Now, keep in mind, smokers smoke in a way where they keep the blood levels of nicotine up consistently. It's not up and down. It's consistent. And so what Emulate said is a nicotine patch. And remember, for smokers, for nicotine addiction, we use 21 milligrams a day.
But for a non-smoker in this application, we'd use seven milligrams a day. So it's lower. I think that's most effective. Take it off when you have a shower. Again, I usually go about 90 days on things. I don't think it's going to be forever until we get people to detox.
Now, some people can't tolerate it, so they've tried the nicotine gum, which is two milligrams, but much more an up and down effect. And then these pouches, I've just had a few patients with these pouches report some success. And keep in mind, the pouches, I understand, are not tobacco, Dr. Drew. Right.
It's news. Yeah. Yeah. The snooze-like pouches. Yeah, they're pretty high in nicotine, though. I've tried those a couple times. I get nauseated from them pretty quickly.
I've seen, for example, I think when you're talking about the pouches, they go as low as three milligrams, I've seen, because I think Tucker Carlson actually has a brand called Alp. He's selling those, and it's supposed to be just mainly straight-up nicotine and not have all the other side additives.
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Chapter 5: What are the medical implications of spike protein and COVID-19 vaccines according to Dr. McCullough?
Willingness to not attack doctors who are trying to help patients. Yeah. Where are we? All right. Where do you want people to go to find you?
Well, go to Focal Points Substack. Go to www.thefocalpoints.com. It's free. Get it every day. Get the updated abstracts, graphical.
information key interviews uh you know make sure you check out america out loud talk radio mccullough report that's my podcast as well as pulse on wednesdays and uh you follow me on social media i'm out there i'm chasing you dr drew i can never catch you in followers since you've been at it so long such a master been at it too long great to join you
You as well. We're delighted to have you. Do follow Dr. McCullough, people that you will benefit from following. So do so.
Hey, Peter, retweet us on Twitter when you get off the line. I think I did, but I'll give it another blast. Okay.
Thank you. See you soon. See you next week.
Ta-ta.
All right. Coming up, we have Stephanie Van Watson. She is a veterinarian. She was caring for Navy dolphins, and they developed illness, and she found a way to prevent those illnesses. And lo and behold, humans have a similar biology, and we should be taking advantage of her findings. She now has a new book. It's called The Longevity Nutrient. It's a... I urge you to read this book.
We'll talk about when she gets in there. It's a really good book. And Caleb, maybe on the way back, we can... Let's see. What do I want to choose here? Maybe we should have... There's the Longevity Nutrient. We should do RFK talking about the budget cuts because that was what was in the news today. So he'll tell you... The Pediatrics was really about the World Health Organization.
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Chapter 6: How can people manage long COVID and vaccine-related symptoms effectively?
It's an opportunity.
The American people want the media to focus on the issues that matter. The auto tariffs, President Trump signed into law, how it will impact prices, jobs.
Tell me how.
Well, it's a great question. Huge for the auto industry.
My car is worth a little more today. I like that.
Well, Sean, that's right.
I have a foreign vehicle. It's fine.
But the what this is going to do for our manufacturing industry, our auto industry, onshore jobs. That's what the president envisions. I've talked to him so much about his tariff policy and his vision for America, where the middle class in middle America, states like mine in northern New Hampshire.
Are you New Hampshire or Massachusetts now?
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Chapter 7: What is the role of nicotine in treating brain fog related to spike protein?
And it's interesting that I'm going to make you go back and tell you what you mean by that, the Navy and C-15, because you can tell that story in a second. But I'm just sitting here thinking about how I'm realizing, as you described this, that for many years it was always oxygen becomes a free radical and destroys the genetic machinery, which of course it can do.
But there wasn't a lot of evidence for that happening sort of over time. The way now you can say, oh, the oxygen gets slowly, it peroxidizes the membranes over time. And that's another, it doesn't have to rip the whole cell apart. It's just this slow destabilization process.
Yeah, that's right. And in fact, there was this discovery of a whole new form of cell death called varroptosis. And this was discovered by Columbia University researchers back in 2012. And that's where they found that when we went to medical school or took our cell biology class, we learned there were three ways our cells die. This group discovered a fourth.
And this form of theroptosis is exactly what you said, where it's this attack of oxygen on fragile fatty acids in the cell membrane that That leads to everything, Dr. Ju, you just described. It takes out our mitochondria, it leads to reactive oxygen species.
While that used to be a slow process that happens over time, what we're now seeing is with this process and this new cell death that for optosis is accelerated. And so this accelerated aging process is happening. Nobody really understood why fructose showed up until we'll talk about the dolphins. Go ahead.
That's what I was going to say. Go to the dolphins. That's where they found out what was happening.
Yeah, this unexpected surprise, right? As a veterinary epidemiologist, I was working to continually help improve the health and welfare of the Navy's dolphins.
That's when we discovered that about one in three of Navy dolphins, as they got older, developed things that are going to sound familiar, like high cholesterol, chronic inflammation, insulin resistance, and fatty liver disease, and even changes consistent with Alzheimer's in the brain.
So because the dolphins are such a clean population, they don't smoke, they don't drink, they have a very clean diet and consistent health care.
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Chapter 8: What are the potential cancer risks associated with COVID-19 vaccines and spike protein?
All right. Perfect. All right. We will see you again very soon. Thank you for joining us.
Great. Thank you.
Take care. Bye-bye. All right, we're going to watch a couple more videos of what happened to us today at the White House. Again, we are here in Washington, D.C. If you're just joining us, that's why the unusual environment. We're at the Rumble Studios. We are so grateful to our Rumble friends. Rumble, Rumble, wait a minute. There it is, Rumble.
And we were with several of the cabinet-level officials, and the two remaining clips we have here are of RFK Jr., Talking both about the budget cuts this morning that have been in the news and also I was asking about some of the World Health Organization mandates or things that are being experienced as mandates that have been uptaken by the pediatric community that don't make sense to me.
So let's look at the budget cuts first.
I've been battling public health agencies for decades. Many years. And what I found is that most of the people who work for the agency are extraordinary public servants, really devoted to the mission. But there's an upper echelon of people who've been entrenched there for many years.
And it's true throughout Washington, right?
It's not just this. The agency is simply dysfunctional. Yeah. During the Biden administration, they increased the budget by 38%. I know.
We're so much healthier now.
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Chapter 9: Who is Stephanie Van Watson and what is her contribution to longevity research?
Yeah, but you can just see that she's taken on such a huge endeavor. And I said, congratulations. Oh, my God, we're so happy for you. And she goes, oh, I've seen you a lot in the news. And Drew said, we've seen you a lot in the news, too. And she kind of went, you know, like, okay, yes.
And I just said, thank you, thank you, thank you. I'm just so grateful. Every time I go through TSA, I'm grateful for Tulsa Gabbard.
Anybody who takes on these jobs is a saint. I don't know why anybody wants to be the president of the United States.
It's still... Well, now that I'm talking to people that are wanting to change the operations, not just sort of be a figurehead over them or to make them just be a ceremonial figure, but actually run them, change them. It's a huge, huge, huge job they're taking on. And it's sort of overwhelming to be around it.
It's not that easy to just fix things. There's politics behind it. There are people behind it. There's lobbies behind it. There's corruption behind it. There's all these things that we're finding out that's behind it. But now in these times, especially when you're under Trump's reign, it's like, okay... a little bit more dangerous. It just feels a little bit harder. I don't know why.
It just feels overwhelming to me. But Caleb, did you learn anything from our experience today? You're watching all those tapes and cutting them up, doing a great job. By the way, thank you to Emily Barsh for helping us set this up. Thank you to Susan for executing it.
And Rumble Studios for having us.
Put her action shot up. Caleb, if you can. Short notice. Thank you to Caleb for dealing with all this incredible tech problems. Thank you to the viewers and listeners. There's Susan in action. That's in the Indian treaty room. Yeah, there's everybody. All the different podcasts sort of set up there.
I know, but we were all like that on our phones.
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