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8928.343 - 8951.585 Ben Gilbert

And let's go through the shape of the business today, and listeners, you can decide. So, David and I have made passing references to the idea that this is this ludicrously cash generative business, and I think it's time to actually examine interchange fees today, how they've changed over time, how they flow, who benefits, what's visas cut, all of that, so you can kind of understand it. So...