TSMC Founder Morris Chang

5980.416 - 6031.079 Dr. Morris Chang

Okay, yeah. Anyway, so I, of course, had to accept Jeff Williams' request. All right. But again, as I just told you, I wasn't all that worried because I reviewed in my mind all the characteristics that Apple is looking for in a supplier company. Technology, at that time, we thought we were almost at par with Intel. Almost. In fact, I think I thought we were at par with Intel at that time.