Starbucks (with Howard Schultz)

10775.117 - 10809.679 Howard Schultz

Well, the other thing about that is most founder-led companies are entrepreneurially driven. It's not that they're not following the rules, they're making the rules, especially if you're creating an industry that did not exist. Founder leaves, I'm not talking about me, historically. And companies lose not only the extent of the entrepreneurial DNA, but they lose the ability to be on offense.