Microsoft Volume I

5099.642 - 5128.397 Steve Ballmer

Yes, and it's hard to imagine a better person to get their perspective on what IBM meant to the world at this point in time, because 1980 was also the year that Steve joined Microsoft. So literally at the same time in 1980, you've got the management team coming together with Steve and Bill and Paul Allen, and you've got the IBM thing going on, and you've got them moving to Seattle.